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| Posted On Sep 4, 2008 at 3:10 PM |
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adamomagus
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Does anyone have any methods for getting them to sign to cards without realizing it? For example, they choose the 7 of spades, and you want them to sign that and a duplicate 7 of spades. Any help?
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 4, 2008 at 5:59 PM |
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colelamothe
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umm i think you might be able to use if your sneaky use some carbon transfer paper maybe with a pen im not sure.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 4, 2008 at 7:12 PM |
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Hmm... Because I have a card trick effect, but it would be much more effective if they could sign the card...
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM |
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but ya im thinking if you were clever and sandwitched some crbon paper between the two cards and used a black pen it might work but im not sure if it would work through a card
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 5, 2008 at 1:06 AM |
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I believe carbon paper and such is going a bit too far. It's messy and not exactly easy to get it in there.
Most people also associate signing a card with either a sharpie or a pen and both are hard to duplicate.
Even if you get a magic marker that rubs off you have to explain why you need them to sign it again. I find that using initials works better since their initials aren't actually signed but just letters.
You have to also remember that no one signs their name the same way twice and can be (depending on the person) easy for them to spot a double.
Getting a second signature from the same person requires a few things. Timing, a good reason, and some type of switch.
If you can find a way to mix all three of these together you can get yourself a double.
In my random thinking that I've put into this idea I would suggest having them sign a card, doing a trick, keeping the card and then a few tricks later having them sign another. I assume this is the most common method of doing it.
You can, as I said about the magic marker, make a comment about how you smeared the name off and need them to sign it again. Here you run into two problems, one doing a switch in front of them where they can't see the duplicate and making it believable that you've managed to completely rub off a whole name. I believe with a bit of imagination it is doable.
The last thing I can think of, and by far my least favorite idea, is to use a stooge. Have someone that's willing to give you a pre-signed card. These are a few methods I've thought of and when it's not 1 A.M. I'd be happy to elaborate on my ideas behind doing a good switch.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM |
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As I said I would elaborate a bit on my idea of getting a double card so here are a few more thoughts on the subject.
If you watch the video you posted about Chris Brown you will notice he does a move where he pulls a card back toward his arm and it comes back different. He does it a few times. I don't believe I know the exact name of the move but it's a form of a palm where you bend your wrist inward and push the side of the card at one corner into your wrist which makes the card stick. It requires practice but you can have a double lifted card push one against your wrist and produce the other back again concealing the card while you bring your other hand up to to the palmed card to put it on top of the deck.
I'm not very good at explaining all these moves in detail but I know of two other card palms that can be done to switch a set of two cards very quickly. As for me, I believe the moves are INCREDIBLY hard. I've been working on a set of four different card palms for over a year and it still looks a bit sloppy.
If you do this method of getting a signed card and then instantly reproducing the same card without a signature you will have to come up with a pretty good explanation.
I've thought of not actually showing them the face of the card, but instead the back and say you're going to put their card on top of the deck and act as if you're going to do some sort of magic on it. Since the top card is the non-signed one that you need them to sign there's not much reason to do anything at all except act as if you are.
Pull off the top card and look at it strangely as if you didn't mean to make their signature come off the card. This is when you can have them resign it. It provides misdirection off the double and it's sort of "amazing" to them since they think you actually managed to remove their signature.
These are just my thoughts I wish I could explain things a bit better then this but from the knowledge I have on magic this is one of the only ways I can think of to make a double signature without anyone being the wiser.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 5, 2008 at 1:59 PM |
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I think I get what you mean docbrand... and if I didn't... then hey, I just got an idea =D.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 9, 2008 at 5:17 PM |
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Hmm... One way to do it (if it would be possible in the trick you are thinking of) would be to have them sign it on the back, and double lift the card... Not a very clean method, though if you're good enough at convincing people that it IS their card, then it shouldn't be a problem. Not sure if you would want to use that though...
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 9, 2008 at 5:19 PM |
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There are two tricks that spring to mind that use that method Hakuzosu. Unfortunately I have a horrible memory as to the name of the tricks! I will try to look them up and lay them out for you all.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Sep 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM |
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Thanks for all the help guys! It's working out good.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Apr 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM |
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I just thought that possibly take there card and set it on top and have a duplicate that you preveasly wrote marker and quick rubbed it off so there is smear marks. Then you take there card. Do an erdanase-sorry for spelling. But do that pretending to rub it and then get the smear marks after and have them sign it again. Then you have a duplicate. Has that been created. I just thought of it.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Apr 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM |
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I just thought that possibly take there card and set it on top and have a duplicate that you preveasly wrote marker and quick rubbed it off so there is smear marks. Then you take there card. Do an erdanase-sorry for spelling. But do that pretending to rub it and then get the smear marks after and have them sign it again. Then you have a duplicate. Has that been created. I just thought of it.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Apr 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM |
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I do not know if that has been created... it is clever though. Thank you. I definitely like that.
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| Re: Getting a duplicate signature... |
| Posted On Jan 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM |
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good work magicman. simple and effective.
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