| |
Forums |
|
| |
 Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Aug 27, 2008 at 1:13 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Maxpayne
Occasional Guest
Joined: Aug 23, 2008
Last Visit: May 11, 2009
Posts: 33
e-Points: 7
View All Posts By Maxpayne
|
Colour change,lifting,palming,switching cards....all these stuff are too common for magician. We demand for more. Maybe we're greed? Hunger for a better trick? How about some impossible Card tricks? What do you think,a simple or impossible card magic tricks?
(Previously,i use to perform simple tricks,and my spectator told me: "yeah,i saw that before" "yup,i know it" "uh-huh...not bad" "oh...okay." It seems like very common.)
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Aug 27, 2008 at 5:38 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
adamomagus
Moderator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 11, 2010
Posts: 247
e-Points: 156
View All Posts By adamomagus
|
Yes, I've struggled with that too (referring to the last paragraph). Not only that but I've been working hard trying to come up and learn some completely new and original tricks... That is one thing I hate:
You preform what would be considered an amazing effect. "Mmm... It's ok, I guess." <---spectator. I hate that. That happened to me recently and I ended up performing 3 or 4 tricks just to impress him.
|
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Aug 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
timdavid
Administrator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 25, 2010
Posts: 42
e-Points: 1
View All Posts By timdavid
|
Great stuff guys! This is what this site is all about! Discovering what is REALLY going to impact people.
As you mentioned, what WE like as magicians isn't always what impresses spectators.
Here is another fact: A great magician can take a simple trick and make it have a huge impact on a spectator.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not the trick that makes the magician...it's the magician that makes the trick.
Another BIG part of what makes a magician great is "trick selection". You need to know your audience inside and out (even if you've never met them before! so you can make a great guess as to which tricks you should do.
Do the right trick at the right time...and you're a hero. Do the wrong trick for the wrong person...and you're boring.
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Aug 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
docbrand
Active Member
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 9, 2009
Posts: 77
e-Points: 45
Location: Texas
View All Posts By docbrand
|
One thing I've learned with doing card tricks over the years is that all of them have a basic move or sleight. Most tricks are nothing more then a combination of other tricks and moves.
I've found that when you find a way to combine lots of different moves and tricks then put your own twist on it you can have an amazing card trick effect.
I can't remember the trick that Tim performed with two bottle caps and two decks, one red and blue. He proceeded to tell the story of two groups of people and made bottle caps disappear and decks change color.
This was one of the first tricks I ever saw Tim perform and I was completely blown away. Not just by the trick but by the fact that he combined about 3-4 different effects to make his own trick. This was a very large step for me in my magic when I watched him do this and realized I could do it too.
|
"I hold a doctrine to which I owe much, indeed, but all the little I ever had, namely, that with ordinary talent and extraordinary perseverance all things are attainable." - T.F. Buxton
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Aug 31, 2008 at 8:23 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
adamomagus
Moderator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 11, 2010
Posts: 247
e-Points: 156
View All Posts By adamomagus
|
Quote:
I can't remember the trick that Tim performed with two bottle caps and two decks, one red and blue. He proceeded to tell the story of two groups of people and made bottle caps disappear and decks change color.
This was one of the first tricks I ever saw Tim perform and I was completely blown away. Not just by the trick but by the fact that he combined about 3-4 different effects to make his own trick. This was a very large step for me in my magic when I watched him do this and realized I could do it too. |
EXACTLY my thoughts, Docbrand. I was used to thinking card tricks were just with cards and I saw his sudden twist... It changed everything. I started thinking that even with a deck of cards, you can combine so many things with that to make it original, and effective.
|
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 1, 2008 at 8:59 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
colelamothe
Moderator
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
Last Visit: Oct 16, 2009
Posts: 163
e-Points: 67
View All Posts By colelamothe
|
well i know what you mean alot of people get sick of the pick a card routine real fast. one trick i use to mix it up is i get the spectator to grab a card look at it and shuffle it into the deck and then i rub ashes dirt whatever on my arm and there is there card thats one that really strikes people down and can be repeated with minimal setup when your washing the dirt off 
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 2, 2008 at 2:29 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
adamomagus
Moderator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 11, 2010
Posts: 247
e-Points: 156
View All Posts By adamomagus
|
I've tried to vary my routine from just pick-a-card routines, and If they do, then I don't do the "usual thing". I try to vary it... for example, I have a trick where they pick a card and I put the deck into my pocket, which then, I reach into my pocket and pull out a card to match their suit value, and then another one or two cards that add up to their face value
|
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 7, 2008 at 11:13 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
wildcard
Frequent Visitor
Joined: Sep 6, 2008
Last Visit: Jun 17, 2010
Posts: 74
e-Points: 22
View All Posts By wildcard
|
I've always tried to come up with my own tricks and own way of doing then. I once had a girl give me this long list of tricks you normally see party clowns do. I haden't even started and fortunately for me I wasn't going to do any of them.
I wanted to record a trick today I made up for the purpose of performing for know- It- all brats um I mean kids. It isn't anything real special, but it does get then to stop thinking they know everything. It's on my videos to record list.
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 9, 2008 at 2:02 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Maxpayne
Occasional Guest
Joined: Aug 23, 2008
Last Visit: May 11, 2009
Posts: 33
e-Points: 7
View All Posts By Maxpayne
|
I use to track which type of person of my spectator...and apply suitable trick for them. Impress them easily. I'm having a question,how to fool and trick everyone one shot with a single way? Do i need super hi-impact magic?
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 9, 2008 at 5:18 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
docbrand
Active Member
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 9, 2009
Posts: 77
e-Points: 45
Location: Texas
View All Posts By docbrand
|
Max, I'm not sure there is a single way to fool everyone. I do believe that one trick can be applied to every type of person, it just takes a bit more work to suit it to them.
|
"I hold a doctrine to which I owe much, indeed, but all the little I ever had, namely, that with ordinary talent and extraordinary perseverance all things are attainable." - T.F. Buxton
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 10, 2008 at 9:51 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Maxpayne
Occasional Guest
Joined: Aug 23, 2008
Last Visit: May 11, 2009
Posts: 33
e-Points: 7
View All Posts By Maxpayne
|
I know what you mean. But there's some people, they know a little bit magic, they don't perform,they're not magician. They reveal ppl's magic when ppl perform. At it kills. So i always have to prepare some ultimate stuff for this situation for in case. And i don't like magic secret to be revealed after one magic performance is over. It kills the effect.
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
docbrand
Active Member
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 9, 2009
Posts: 77
e-Points: 45
Location: Texas
View All Posts By docbrand
|
I know what you mean and I think we all agree it really stinks when that happens. Keeping a positive attitude and remembering to focus on entertaining and not centering it around yourself or your tricks is what really counts.
Unless they're a magician themselves or that one person that's completely dedicated to ruining all magic tricks then you should have plenty of tricks up your sleeve.
|
"I hold a doctrine to which I owe much, indeed, but all the little I ever had, namely, that with ordinary talent and extraordinary perseverance all things are attainable." - T.F. Buxton
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 10, 2008 at 2:33 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
adamomagus
Moderator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 11, 2010
Posts: 247
e-Points: 156
View All Posts By adamomagus
|
Hecklers, Max, Hecklers. Usually try to avoid these people as much as possible. (Thankfully I haven't!. You should have some tricks though, that fool them, just in case. For example, if they yell, "Those aren't the aces on the table!", then have a trick that allows you to show the aces. BE CAREFUL for it is best usually to ignore them and carry on. Let me explain.
People have a natural tendency to argue back to the heckler, to prove that they are wrong. This is bad. This is exactly what the heckler wants, for you to acknowledge him and get attention. And eventually, he will say something you cannot show. For example, if he keeps yelling at you to show him the cards, let him shuffle them, etc., then he will quickly get into the habit that he can control half your trick. Then, when the crucial point comes, you have to refuse him. This makes you look very, very bad. It shows people that YOU have just done something sneaky and it ruins part of the trick. It is best to ignore these people.
In some cases it is ok to let them shuffle, etc., as this will add to the effect sometimes. But don't do it when they ask you to. Ignore them. That way, they shuffle, but make it such as, who would like to shuffle the deck? A minute or two after they ask. It satisfies them, and it doesn't catch you in the situation mentioned above.
Last edited on Sep 10, 2008 at 2:34 PM by adamomagus.
|
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
docbrand
Active Member
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 9, 2009
Posts: 77
e-Points: 45
Location: Texas
View All Posts By docbrand
|
I think one thing we tend to forget is that there is a difference between a heckler and a disbeliever. Hecklers want to make your tricks look bad and it's your job to reinforce that they're good. Disbelievers want to believe but you have to prove it to them.
Very rarely do we ever come across that person that will jump up and grab the cards or you and turn them over. Almost ALL hecklers are nothing more then verbal bullies that can be beat down with a good tongue lashing. As for anyone that gets physical or attempts to touch you or your property, you have to deal with that accordingly.
|
"I hold a doctrine to which I owe much, indeed, but all the little I ever had, namely, that with ordinary talent and extraordinary perseverance all things are attainable." - T.F. Buxton
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Hakuzosu
Moderator
Joined: Sep 9, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 4, 2009
Posts: 150
e-Points: 40
View All Posts By Hakuzosu
|
I would say that most hecklers desire any attention at all, even negative attention. I usually just ignore them for a while, and if they don't stop, then you can make a smart remark, don't do it until you have the rest of the audience on your side.
|
"To those who question whether clarity is all that important, I can only say that it is the most important quality in the making of a film" - François Truffaut
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
adamomagus
Moderator
Joined: Aug 14, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 11, 2010
Posts: 247
e-Points: 156
View All Posts By adamomagus
|
That's a smart idea, Hakuzosu. I believe some of the same principle applies to disbelievers, as you called them, docbrand. The shuffling example I would still use, but most disbelievers are just curious minds. Like my grandpa. He never tries to heckle or make you look bad, it's just that he has a very curious mind.
|
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 12, 2008 at 10:02 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Maxpayne
Occasional Guest
Joined: Aug 23, 2008
Last Visit: May 11, 2009
Posts: 33
e-Points: 7
View All Posts By Maxpayne
|
Actually i don't mind if i ever met any disbeliever. I can make them believe in me. Magic is all about the patter and story...they'll enjoy it. Argh...i just hate hecklers. LOL. I use to perform some other tricks,power moves to stun those hecklers. Then one day they'll keep asking me to do it again,and i never do a trick twice for a same person.
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 14, 2008 at 4:16 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Hakuzosu
Moderator
Joined: Sep 9, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 4, 2009
Posts: 150
e-Points: 40
View All Posts By Hakuzosu
|
It's a good skill to be able to convince people that what they're seeing are tiny miracles. Though I've met people who won't respond, in the slightest, to my strongest tricks. I believe it's always a good idea to make your tricks interesting to both those who do believe they're done by magic, and those we believe they're being deceived. Also, look out for people who say: "I hate being fooled", usually they're trying to say: "I hate to lose". These people generally think of magic as a game, where only one person can win. They think that if they catch you, they "win" if you fool them though they "lose". You can avoid this by never using tricks with a challenge aspect to them. Don't say: "Try and catch me this time" or something similar. This puts spectators in the wrong state of mind. Then they pay all of their attention on how you're doing the trick, and not on what the trick is. Make sure that you don't add these sorts of challenge aspects to your tricks, and your magic will become more effective overall.
|
"To those who question whether clarity is all that important, I can only say that it is the most important quality in the making of a film" - François Truffaut
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
wildcard
Frequent Visitor
Joined: Sep 6, 2008
Last Visit: Jun 17, 2010
Posts: 74
e-Points: 22
View All Posts By wildcard
|
^ good stuff
|
|
| Re: Impossible magic tricks? |
| Posted On Sep 15, 2008 at 9:04 AM |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
Maxpayne
Occasional Guest
Joined: Aug 23, 2008
Last Visit: May 11, 2009
Posts: 33
e-Points: 7
View All Posts By Maxpayne
|
woo...cool! what Hakuzou said was right. We have to manipulate their mind set before they get into our trick. That's a vital part in magic.
|
|
|
|
| |
|
|
|
