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| Posted On Jan 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM |
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adamomagus
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What, in YOUR opinion, is the most valuable sleight in all of magic?
I would say the palm. Widely used, and very practical. Can be used at almost any time, as long as you have sufficient misdirection. I haven't quite mastered it yet, but I do not think it is out of my reach to make this claim. I would still like to hear others thoughts on this as well.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Jan 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM |
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Well, not counting fundamental techniques that I don't consider sleights (the break, pinky count, thumb count, etc.), I would have to say that the Palm is the sleight with the most potential that I know of, and the false shuffle is the most used and practical sleight.
So, I would say that they are both tied in my opinion.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM |
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I agree with you. False Shuffles are the most used sleights in magic, although to perform many high-level (also high difficulty) tricks, the palm is necessary. It also allows the spectator to shuffle the deck.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Jan 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM |
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You might also say that the glimpse is a very powerful sleight, since it allows you to perform seemingly impossible card locations (usually you have to be good with outs, though not always) such as Calculated Risk or The Card Trick With No Explanation. It's also good for mentalism type tricks, though it's better if you have a glimpse that doesn't require much handling of the deck.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Jan 25, 2009 at 4:23 AM |
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I think both the palm and the double lift are incredible sleights. In Tims Solstice video he gives a great subtlty on using the palm that makes it even less perceptable.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Jan 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM |
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Cole, I own Tim's soltice trick also, and it is a very clever way to use the palm. And the double lift is very good, as well. I do think Hakozusu had an interesting post, and I think the glimpse is often overlooked.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 22, 2009 at 5:02 AM |
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The double top lift is incredibly useful indeed. But I just love the effect created by false shuffles.
Apart from these I'm a fan of all sorts of forcing sleights...
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM |
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Yeah, although forcing can be seen as a general term of a bunch of sleights. False Shuffles are possibly the most useful, but as far as other sleights go, I'd say the palm.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM |
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You didn't say about passes, and steals... If done correctly these are the most difficult sleights to notice. I think that THE PALM AND THE PASS BOTH TIED... of course i prefer BLUFF PASS  that's my opinion
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM |
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Well welcome Teddyziom. I agree the pass is incredibly clever but i wouldnt call it the most valuable sleight for its rather limited
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| Posted On Feb 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM |
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Really, after thinking about it, you could say that any one sleight can not be the "most" useful, as it's what you do with a sleight that counts. In fact, a mathematical trick, as long as it's cleverly disguised, has high entertainment value, and is scripted well so that it represents you, I would say is much more valuable than any sleight-based effect you'll come across that does not meet these criteria.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM |
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That's an interesting thought, Hakuzosu. Like he said, the context in which you use it can change everything.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM |
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Its a good point but part of being useful is also being versatile, something like the double lift or the glide you can create many effects with even more presentations. whereas something like a math trick is rather limited on versatility
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Feb 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM |
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When we think double lift, we usually think of the ACR (Ambitious Card Routine), and I must say that there is much that can be done with it. The backbone of most versions of it is the double lift, and there are numerous tricks that you can do with the palm, if preformed correctly.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Mar 27, 2009 at 6:23 PM |
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well i have four Sleights that i think are really Valuable and those are:the pinkey brake/the palm/the double lift and any False Shuffle.
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| Re: Most Valuable Sleight? |
| Posted On Mar 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM |
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Those are all very valuable... in my personal opinion out of those four I think the palm is required for the most impressive tricks. Dai Vernon (Correct me if I'm wrong) once said, "Palming seperates the men from the boys". Of course, the false shuffle is incredibly widely used and is the foundation for most tricks.
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