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| Posted On Apr 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM |
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adamomagus
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You know, many seem very enthusiastic about the double lift. I admit, it is very useful, but I just wanted to point out a glaring fault in many magicians: the overuse of the double lift.
In one of my magic books (PM me if you would like to know which one), it said that the double lift is overused by amateurs, and that people will use it to show the card is not at the bottom or at the (Double Lift) top. The book points out that this is unnecessary, when you can use a false shuffle so secure the chosen card second to bottom, therefore showing the bottom card and several top cards.
Another mention, never use the double lift for spectators as a show of skill, for it is a secret sleight which is valued, and can be extremely useful at the right times. If the spectator knows this move, half the effect is lost, even if you aren't using it sometimes.
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM |
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yes that is true, although the double lift can in the right hands seem like its not happening. if you present it correctly even someone who knows what a double lift wont be able to tell. The main time i use the double lift is for my acr, its very fast paced and to shuffle the card second to the bottom would take to long and remove the fast hard hitting effect of my routine. The double lift does need to be watched though for as you said it is far overused but still very useful
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On Apr 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM |
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I agree. The point I was making was that beginners tend to overuse it too much, which is what you must watch out for. In the ACR, it is almost unavoidable, because that's just the trick. It was designed to work that way. But beginners overuse it when they can just use a simple false shuffle.
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On Apr 9, 2009 at 8:53 AM |
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yes i have to agree on that one. and most beginners either didnt learn correctly or havnt practised enough to be performing and end up giving away the secret making magic for those people harder in the future.
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On May 9, 2009 at 12:47 AM |
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The DL is one of the best-kept secrets in all of magic. I think that's why the author expressed that the DL is over-used. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. We magicians can sometimes be over-sensitive because we are paranoid that the secret will get out.
It won't.
Even if laypeople see a tutorial online that explains the DL...they think the DL is used ONLY for that specific trick and ONLY with that specific technique.
In reality, the DL is so versatile that a skilled magician could do an entire close-up set of tricks that utilize the double-lift and the spectators would think they're watching an act with great variety.
Seriously. All you've got to do is throw in one little variation and the laypeople who are "in the know" are suddenly fooled all over again.
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On May 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM |
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Quote:
The DL is one of the best-kept secrets in all of magic. I think that's why the author expressed that the DL is over-used. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. We magicians can sometimes be over-sensitive because we are paranoid that the secret will get out.
It won't.
Even if laypeople see a tutorial online that explains the DL...they think the DL is used ONLY for that specific trick and ONLY with that specific technique.
In reality, the DL is so versatile that a skilled magician could do an entire close-up set of tricks that utilize the double-lift and the spectators would think they're watching an act with great variety.
Seriously. All you've got to do is throw in one little variation and the laypeople who are "in the know" are suddenly fooled all over again. |
I agree with you for the most part, though sometimes you stumble across the rare spectator who knows how to false shuffle or do some other basic sleight, and believes that it's used in every trick. The same things you've said also apply here, though you need to be more careful (actually a good rule of thumb is to assume that some people in the audience already know of certain sleights, so you're careful enough to not do it sloppily and assume nobody noticed that it was fishy (don't get too paranoid though, since extensive proof that you aren't using certain sleights can lead to audience to believe that you are! )
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On May 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM |
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Yeah, I guess you're right. While it can be overused, I never thought about it that way. I guess that it comes down to the old, "perfect practice makes perfect" saying. The more you practice it, the less obvious it could be. A couple months ago I started the quest to unlearn everything I had done, break out the old technique part of magic books, and relearn everything the best, perfect way I could possibly do.
I spent 2 hours practicing the double lift get-ready and push off. 
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On May 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM |
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well i only use the DL where i think its needed (or where its sposed to be in the trick) and no im not a beginner ive been doing magic for five years going on six but what ive noticed is some can spot even the best DL a mile a way but when people like that come along to things happen: one the rest of the spectators get mad at him or her and two i prove him rong (although he is not rong)
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| Re: The Double Lift |
| Posted On May 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM |
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Often, the audience will trust a fellow spectator more than a magician. After all, it is the magicians' job to fool the audience, so they probably tell a lot of lies. The trick is to get the audience to trust you by not doing tricks that seem suspicious, and removing all methods of explanation from the spectators' minds except for the explanation you give to them.
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| Posted On Dec 23, 2009 at 12:37 AM |
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i agree with Tim David. A skilled, practiced magician can just do a spin on it and it makes it seem like something different is going on. i have been caught doing a double lift before, but i was in the middle of a trick that actually made it look good that i got caught when i finished...
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