I suppose you could justify the showing of the three cards with an odd sort of gambling patter, though the ending would be inconsistent with the rest of the trick, since gambling doesn't generally have to do with the location of a card.
I'm not saying it's a bad trick, I just think it's a bit weird in terms of structure when you look back on the performance of it.
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Re: What is your best impromptu trick?
Posted On Feb 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM
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One of the best impromptu with a pack of cards is what I call "The Triplets". The Effect is as follows...
I keep dealing the pack from the top, opening each card and keeping it face up on the table/floor/spectator's palm.
While doing so, I ask the spectator to stop me when I keep a specific number (may be 2 - 10, J, Q, K, A) and then remove three suits of the same number.
I then take the pack from the table/floor/palm and then deal three cards from the top separately face down and then ask the spectator to place one of the three removed cards on each of the dealt cards.
I collect the three pairs of cards and place them back in the deck.
But the moment I tap the pack the three cards which were supposed to be alternative come to the top of the pack, that is the first three cards are the cards which were placed in position 1,3 and 5 by the spectator.
This is indeed a simple trick done with the fourth suit of the same number. For full relevation of the trick please mail me at: sguru_sharan@rediffmail.com .
Please do share if this trick has a specific name; I'm only an amateur magician.
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Another great impromptu trick with cards is the one I call as Lightning Speed Change.
It is a damn difficult one to master but has a great impact on the spectators when it is mastered and performed well, as it involves nothing but a single pack of cards which are very well shuffled by the spectator himself/herself. The effect is as follows:
I give the spectator a pack of cards to shuffle to their satisfaction.
When they are done, I take back the pack and take the top card of the pack, placing the remaining cards aside.
I show the card and holding it right in front of the spectator's view I tap it at the back as though I'm hitting a carom piece.
In the flash of a second in front of the spectator's eyes the card changes into another card.
I then place the changed card back on the top of the pack.
I riffle the pack and ask the spectator to stop wherever he/she likes and there is the card I showed them first .
Believe that Tim calls it 23. Do it with a variation in that I set up the deck. 3 clubs, 2 spades, 3 spades on top, 2 clubs on bottom. Cut several cards off the top, flip them upside down on top. Cut again deeper than the first cut, and turn this pile face up on the deck. I then say that I will use the first two face down cards that I come to. Go through the face up cards, when I reach face down cards, place the face up cards on the table. I then turn over the first two face down cards 3 clubs, 2 spades. Cut the face up cards, place the two/three face up in center of other face cards then place this packet in center of deck. From here trick proceeds as laid out by Tim
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Re: What is your best impromptu trick?
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I haven't heard of renegade before. Is there a video link that anybody has? Or maybe an explanation of the effect? Thanks.
If I'm not mistaken, it's a simple version of classic triumph routines where a chosen card is lost in a deck that is shuffled part face up and part face down. The cards seemingly right themselves so they're all facing the same way, except the chosen card.
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Ah, I know of Triumph. It's a very well thought-out trick. Simple, easy to do, and gets great reactions.
I find it depends largely on the version and presentation, Renegade is not my favorite (if it's the one I'm thinking of) as it has one point that's a little bit weak (the shuffle), and requires a bit of stretching to get the deck to right itself. Though it can be astonishing if you can make up for these weaknesses.
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Posted On May 12, 2009 at 6:32 PM
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I'm thinking of the triumph in a very general way:
Spectator chooses card, replaced in deck. Deck is mixed up with some cards face up/down. Magician suddenly waves hand over and cards are all back to normal but one reversed card: the spectator's.
I don't know if that's renegade, but that is the one that I think is very well done, if done correctly.
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Yes, Triumph is an effect that can be good, that doesn't mean it always is good. It has a good plot, though often the technical part is quite lacking.
The problem is that there are varying degrees of conviction for any one step in a trick. In Renegade, the shuffling sequence is not very convincing. The whole premise of the trick requires that the deck is shuffled face-up and face-down thoroughly. Many Triumph routines simply do not pack a punch since people are not convinced the deck was shuffled thoroughly. If the deck is shuffled with, say, a very convincing looking riffle shuffle, the audience is going to be much more astounded than if you just flip some of the cards over a bunch.
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ive seen it performed before and caught the secret, the magician i saw do it is rather rookie who buys alot and doesnt put his own spin on it, so i can even say ive heard the original patter but i agree it is a sweet trick it looks cool when does right but i think the original patter is a bit weak and need a bit more reinforcing that fits the magicians style to make it get the full effect
ive seen it performed before and caught the secret, the magician i saw do it is rather rookie who buys alot and doesnt put his own spin on it, so i can even say ive heard the original patter but i agree it is a sweet trick it looks cool when does right but i think the original patter is a bit weak and need a bit more reinforcing that fits the magicians style to make it get the full effect
I don't think there is one set patter for a triumph routine, it's similar to the ACR in that there are tons of versions of it. Maybe you just saw one of the more common ones
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Posted On May 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM
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Yeah, I don't really have a set patter that I do. I have a general idea, but the majority of it is improv. Somehow, it always works out better for me this way. It seems more natural to me.
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Posted On May 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM
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That right there folks is the downfall of almost every young magician. Relying on stores like Ellusionist that re-market old effects and charge $30 dollars. About no technique is taught, and they rely on the set patter. It's almost robot-like. This is why I like books more than DVD's... it teaches technique, tricks that you need technique for (which forces you to learn the technique right), and doesn't always have a set patter. Don't get me wrong, not all DVD's are bad... but they have a potential to be bad for beginners. That's just me though.
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Posted On May 16, 2009 at 9:19 AM
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agreed i have seen that time and time again, usuallly with beginner magicians you can tell the trick just by the patter they give because as you said its almost robot like. Making good patter is one skill that is essential for any magician who wishes to move beyond simple classroom magic tricks. Me i have a basic idea of what im going to say so im not mumbling or stuttering but it usually isn't fully set but i dont end up using the exact same patter every time its almost always different somehow. Thats what bothers me about most beginners i try and help with, they spend so much time trying to memorize the patter they are given and barely do anything on their own.
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Posted On May 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM
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Yeah, I do the same thing. I have a very general idea of what I'm going to say, but pretty much all of it is improvised. I might say something I like and remember it for next time, but still most of it is improvised. It works better for me this way.
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